False Perception in Auto -vs- Mass Transit Arguments

topic posted Wed, May 14, 2008 - 2:48 PM by  offlineRoger
On my way home, travelling on the 97 Northbound from Miami-Dade College where I work, I closed the novel I was reading and I began thinking about a conversation that I had with one of my coworkers who said it takes him 8 minutes during non-peak hours to get home via his personal automobile. And, he said, taking the bus cannot beat that by a long shot. A day or so lapsed, and I couldn't help but think that he lived several neighborhoods away, And there is one traffic light at the entrance/exit of the campus that takes at least 1 minute to change, on some days. Upon further prying, however, my coworker broke down and admitted that he drives, on average, 60 miles an hour! This surprised me, as the major thouroughfares that he would take home would have a maximum speed limit of 45.

So, no wonder motorist have this false perception of the time it takes to get from A to B. They speed! So, it is an unfair comparison, then, to use "time" as the only factor in deciding on whether to utilize mass transit. In rush hour where motorists have no choice but to chug along bumper to bumper with the buses, I've observed that buses arrive at their respective destinations practically the same time as personal automobiles, and in some cases before.

Most motorist, especially here in South Florida, do not obey the posted speed limit and -- therefore -- should not use commute time as a factor in deciding to use mass transit because bus operators MUST obey the law and are required to pick up passengers along the way. All things being equal (meaning that both motorists and bus operators utilize the same speed and are going in the same direction), mass transit still wins out on busy thoroughfares, even on short trips.
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Roger
Miami
  • Truly. However, in LA, I've seen and been on buses that speed, and some that run lights. I've also been on one (mind you, only one in about 5 years of taking them here) that did get into an accident from running the yellow that turned red and hitting a car on the other side when it came to a complete stop.

    But, speed and time shouldn't hinder the drivers from taking the bus. But, maybe their excessive speeding tickets might encourage them a little more...
  • I have heard the same story here in central Pa. These same people drive the gas guzzling SUVs and think that complaining will lower the price of gas. I just tell them to exit my face.
    • This weekend I spent in Albuquerque - and besides the town having definate problems economically, their public transit system was in terrible shape. It made me realize that the rest of the country is SO dependent on their cars and we are truly a small minority that have given them up. If I was still thinking of going to school there, I would definately have to come up with another alternative for transportation because their system wasn't dependable enough to live on...

      We need more mass transit - in more places across the country in order to start to get out of our cars and think in different ways about transportation. We need to end the oil addiction, not feed it and placate ourselves...
      • Brittany,
        That is so true. What gets me all riled up something fierce is the whole host of misinformation that's out there. The other day, in the comments section of a Washington Post article on transit in the D.C. area, a poster claimed that residents who live in surburbs, especially wealthy ones, pay more in taxes and therefore they help to subsidize public transit for poorer people in the city core. Huh? Most people know and the experts agree that over and over again, older, more dense neighborhoods continually subsidize newer sub- and ex-urbs, particularly in their beginning phases. Frequently, surburban residents choke up the roads with their cars to utilize services in the city center. Not to mention, the roads, the pipe and sewer lines and the list goes on and on. I realize I'm preaching to the choir here. But that is one of the largest barriers to sensible transit policy: MISINFORMATION.

        Alot of it, as you guys know, stems from the bamboozling and the voodoo number crunching from the Right. They use voodoo science, math and reasoning to topple long-standing facts on everything from public transportation to climate change policy. I'm sick of it.
      • I agree with Brittany. We DO need more mass transit. We have become not only too dependent on our cars but on gas pumps also. Although some people argue that they will lose their independence, I gain freedom from the OIL PIG. My local bus provider has improved over the last few years but they and the funding have more work to do.
  • i think the key word is perception. even if a car takes me two minutes less walking it's still stupid. what we need is a reorientation of thinking about how to live. your friends in their cars never talk about having great conversations with strangers or old friends on their super-fast car rides home.

    this fixation with speed and time is our downfall. slowing down is good.
    • John,
      What an awesome mantra to live by "...Slowing down is good..." I like that. After deciding to use transit again, I must admit that I was a bit anxious because I was concerned that I would not have enough time at the end of the day to get "stuff" done, so I prolonged my car slavery a few more weeks, but when I really analyzed my lifestyle, I realized that I was rushing home from work to just plop in front of the television, eating junk food. Lol. I know this sounds like an ad for some life-changing drug or something, but seriously, when I know that I have to use transit or my bicycle to get around, I become more conscious of my time. I try and get things done in one trip. When I get home by using transit, for some reason, the walk from the bus stop energizes me so, that I find myself cleaning up my apartment, procrastinating less to the point where I cook dinner, pack my lunch and prepare my clothing for work the next day all within the first 1.25 hours of getting home. I find myself doing more research online about things that I find interesting, as opposed to plopping in front of the tube. I am not as tired as I thought I would be, and I commute from suburb to surburb. It's amazing.
      • jOe
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        This train of thought is going somewhere. We make trades of our time daily. I give my employer blocks of my time in exchange for money.My times value increases when i use it to develop skills, or become more educated. So in the end, we trade our time.

        When I first started bike commuting i raced like a maniac, trying to cut time off my commute. I would arrive home like a lathered racehorse. I never got home faster than I would by car.After a while, i came to the understanding that trying to beat a car in speed was not realistic. I was going to spend 20 minutes longer doing a 13 mile commute,but there are tradeoffs. Health, making new friends along the way, enjoying the change of seasons i notice , that i missed while driving. Being in charge of my own life..( thats a big one) and saving a few bucks..that freed up some money to do things i wouldn[t have afforded earlier.

        So, if you take the idea of trading your time for money to the next step, and you realize the costs of everything in relation to time, you will want to consume less. and put your time/ money where it will do the most good.
        • I also find that my state of mind is better without driving - so when I get home I'm also refreshed from having time for a nap or a good book or conversation with busmates or people on the street. I even have a 15 minute walk on one part of my commute - and its been a good thing for my life. The repetitive nature of it, the feeling of the wind on my face, the changing seasons, the time for phone calls and thinking has deepened my life. I'll just say its made a better quality of life by slowing down.
          • jOe
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            reality forced me to leave my beloved Portland for a few days and put me here in sunny car-centric San Diego. I tried to find resources and information that would allow to to go car free down here, but every turn i met another obstacle. Hence, i had to rent a car to accomplish everything that was expected of me. end result..damn..im fried! I even feel evil tonite.

            Brits remarks about better life quality ring true. Its a lousy way to live, when you have to drive. ( I think i inspired a half dozen cases of road rage by driving only as my skill level allowed. There seems to be a lot of multi-tasking expected of a driver..drink your coffee, fiddle with the radio, try to decipher the directions you wrote down to find your destination. At the same time,obey the laws, try to seamlessly interface with your fellow drivers.. gads! )

            Time to drag my feet to slow the circle down...

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